Posts by Brother Apostate

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad

by nicolaou in

let's assume for the moment that god decides what is good and what is bad.

does he 'a' choose what is good because it is obviously good or 'b' is it good simply because he says so?

if 'a' then what is good is independant of god and he has no choice but to accept it as good.. if 'b' then the definition of what is good is arbitrary - god could decide that child abuse was good and it would be because he said so.. clearly this is ridiculous because we all recognise child abuse to be a bad thing and that is why god would never label it as good.

Brother Apostate

HS,

As I'm sure you are aware, I believe that the Bible is God-breathed, that the men who wrote the Bible were scribes who wrote God's thoughts.

BA- Faith is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad

by nicolaou in

let's assume for the moment that god decides what is good and what is bad.

does he 'a' choose what is good because it is obviously good or 'b' is it good simply because he says so?

if 'a' then what is good is independant of god and he has no choice but to accept it as good.. if 'b' then the definition of what is good is arbitrary - god could decide that child abuse was good and it would be because he said so.. clearly this is ridiculous because we all recognise child abuse to be a bad thing and that is why god would never label it as good.

Brother Apostate

Nicolaou,

Only an idiot could possibly read "child abuse" intro the Abraham- Isaac account. Isaac was never harmed, or abused during the test. Whether Abraham passed or failed the test, Isaac’s safety was assured, as God always does what is right, it is impossible for Him to do otherwise.

The point is this- Abraham was blessed by God for putting FAITH in Him, and as a result, all who put faith in God are the "children of Abraham" who inherit God’s kingdom.

All the mockers and scoffers just don’t get it- FAITH must be exercised in God, His son, and the redeeming power of His son’s ransom sacrifice to inherit God’s kingdom.

BA- Has Faith in God, His son, and the redeeming power of His son’s ransom sacrifice.

PS- "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." – Hebrews 11:6

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

Brother Apostate

And here, for your reading pleasure, is a rebuttal on Osiris:

BA- Enjoy!

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

Brother Apostate

Already looked it up, dude.

There's (at least) two sides to every argument, had you done your research on the other side of the argument, you'd have a balanced view. Here, for example, is but one of the many, many rebuttals of the argument you raised, this one dealing with Dionysius.

All you have to do is google for the others.

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

Brother Apostate

Lol.

Hilarious, really, dude.

Do you believe everything you read?

Someone writes a book, makes assumptions, ascertains, and uses twisted "lawjik" to come to a conclusion that is far from factual, and you gulp it down as fact.

I feel sorry for you, you appear as gullible as an ex-JW as you undoubtedly were as a dub. Which cult do you belong to now?

BA- ROTFLMAO!

PS- "But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body." - Ecclesiastes 12:12

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad

by nicolaou in

let's assume for the moment that god decides what is good and what is bad.

does he 'a' choose what is good because it is obviously good or 'b' is it good simply because he says so?

if 'a' then what is good is independant of god and he has no choice but to accept it as good.. if 'b' then the definition of what is good is arbitrary - god could decide that child abuse was good and it would be because he said so.. clearly this is ridiculous because we all recognise child abuse to be a bad thing and that is why god would never label it as good.

Brother Apostate

Yes, FAITH is what the vast majority of humanity is lacking, yet, it is only by FAITH that any will inherit the promised kingdom. -Brother Apostate
jwfacts- No, Faith is what the vast majority of humanity have; and it is Faith (adherence to beliefs unproven) that is the cause of the vast majority of human problems. As soon as a person is willing to follow something unproven, then they are prone to having their belief of what is right or wrong manipulated by people that claim to represent God.

Faith is not as you define it. Faith is "knowing" something is or will occur with such conviction as if it has already been. Faith, like logic and reason, requires exrercise. Those who do not exercise faith see it wither and atrophy.

It is important to distinguish what we put faith in- put faith in God, not men, and the dilemna is gone. Do not put your faith in men, and you can not be manipulated by them.

Faith in God is not the cause of human problems, the fallen state of humanity is to blame. God has given us His laws so that we will know right and wrong, something we are capable of, but not, in our fallen state, guaranteed the knowledge of.

Nicoloau - good thought provoking point. If something is inherently good we do not need God to define it as such, which is why Athiests are in practice as moral as religious followers.

As I stated above, not so. What is inherently good and bad is determined by God, not men. Those who put their faith in Him and follow His instructions know what is right and what is wrong, these are unchangable.

Those who choose for themselves what is right and wrong call much of what is right "wrong", and much of what is wrong "right". A rose by any other name smells as sweet, and a pile of dung by any other name smells just as bad.

Distinguishing between them is only possible 100% of the time by obeying God.

BA- Puts faith in God and obeys Him, rather than men.

PS:

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

12 "Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." [ b ] 17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

-1 Corinthians 6:9-20

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad

by nicolaou in

let's assume for the moment that god decides what is good and what is bad.

does he 'a' choose what is good because it is obviously good or 'b' is it good simply because he says so?

if 'a' then what is good is independant of god and he has no choice but to accept it as good.. if 'b' then the definition of what is good is arbitrary - god could decide that child abuse was good and it would be because he said so.. clearly this is ridiculous because we all recognise child abuse to be a bad thing and that is why god would never label it as good.

Brother Apostate

Why was God not outraged that Abraham failed this test - that he did not manage to reason for himself that to kill an innocent would be wrong no matter who gave the order?

Abraham PASSED the test. The test was: will you put faith in me (God), even above your love for your son that I gave to you as a promise?

Yes, FAITH is what the vast majority of humanity is lacking, yet, it is only by FAITH that any will inherit the promised kingdom.

Abraham had faith that God, who gave him his son, would do what is right.

We likewise should put faith in Him.

BA- Exercising faith, and encouraging others to do so.

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Who's crazy NOW! Here is Proof of the NAU "Video Candian Congress"

by skyking in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br31mdp8-ug.

the video is short but it proves that bush is a lier, period.

some of you can remember i was damned for posting information about this.

Brother Apostate

"Conspiracy Theory"

Those two words have become the loaded language of the Global Elite and all the deniers of mountains of evidence that reveal the Global Elite’s plans. Yes, Virginia, there are conspiracies, and revealing them requires a theory that, as more evidence is uncovered, makes the conspiracy clear. The larger the conspiracy, the more likely it is that most will deny it until it becomes undeniable. By then, it is too late to stop the result. The NAU/Amero issue is but one more step towards the ultimate goal of the world elite.

Conspiracies happen everyday:

Sports teams conspire to win the game,

C- Level executives conspire to grab more market share, to put more money in their pockets and less in their employees,

Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc conspire to wage wars, to overthrow governments, to manipulate commodities prices, to manipulate currency valuation, to manipulate/mislead their citizens/subjects, to withhold information from their citizens/subjects, etc.

The players at the top of the pyramid make the decisions, which are then carried out as orders by those under them, who don’t have to know why, they simply carry out their orders. So on and so forth down the pyramid.

To pretend that all must be carried out perfectly, without a hitch, is to ignore reality and history. Of course unintended mistakes, delays and misfortunes occur along the way. It takes time to carry out the "grand conspiracy", "the way the world works", "the men behind the curtain", or whatever you prefer to call it- the evidence is undeniable.

From the top of the pyramid downwards:

What?

New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum)-Global dominion over financial, economic, political, and religious systems.

Who?

Global elite- Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, DuPont, Li, Warburg, Gates, Buffet, Kuhn-Loeb, Lazard-Freres, Schoellkopf, Lehman, Goldman-Sachs, etc.

http://www.fdrs.org/rothschild_fortune.html

http://www.apfn.net/rockefeller.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/morgan.html

Closed door meetings of these global elites, with sparse (or non-existent) content coverage by mass media (Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, etc)

http://www.rense.com/general79/tril.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart1.shtml

http://www.federal-reserve.net/thefederalreserveact.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon147.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon7.htm

http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/alberta1030.html

In their own words:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years....It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller - Bilderberg Meeting - June 1991 - Baden, Germany

"You shall have one world government, whether or not you like it, by consent or by conquest." Former FDR aide, James Warburg CFR/TC, in testimony before the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 17 Feb 1950.

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, from his biography

"Money is Power", or shall we say, "The Monopoly to Create Credit Money and charge interest is Absolute Power". (Alex James)

"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws". - Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:

"Ashley Mote (EU): "Mr President, I wish to draw your attention to the Global Security Fund, set up in the early 1990s under the auspices of Jacob Rothschild. This is a Brussels-based fund and it is no ordinary fund: it does not trade, it is not listed and it has a totally different purpose. It is being used for geopolitical engineering purposes, apparently under the guidance of the intelligence services." "I have previously asked about the alleged involvement of the European Union’s own intelligence resources in the management of slush funds in offshore accounts, and I still await a reply. To that question I now add another: what are the European Union’s connections to the Global Security Fund and what relationship does it have with European Union institutions? "Recently, Ashley Mote of the European Union (EU) asked this volatile question in a public EU meeting, a question never answered, as Mr. Mote, merely by asking this question, was immediately scratched from the White House Christmas card list and placed on its top ten hit list. The Illuminati’s cash cow, grazing freely on the World wide pasture of greenbacks, isn’t called "Elsie" but instead is called the Global Security Fund, a name actually meaning in the secret cult’s language Global Terrorist Fund. In simple terms, it’s a gigantic illegal trust fund, estimated by undercover overseas financial investigators at 65 trillion dollars, set-up for "Illuminati rainy days" and established when it is desperately needed in a pinch for bribery, assassinations and sponsoring World wide terrorist activities to divert attention from their banking mafia. Although the fund is cloaked in secrecy and made possible by the Western civilization’ s Federal Reserve banking system, investigators trying to pry into the Illuminati’s secret treasure trove have uncovered some interesting facts."

"I do verily believe that a single, consolidated government would become the most corrupt government on earth." Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt speech to the House of Commons.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." --Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.

How?

CIA, Erosion of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Two-Party System, FEMA Camps, NAFTA, NAU, Blackwater, One World Financial Systems in place/planned: Federal Reserve, Euro, Amero, Market Manipulation, Continued concentration of wealth by the Global elite, all others earn less as wage slaves, and become powerless. As Napoleon stated: "Terrorism, War & Bankruptcy are caused by the privatization of money, issued as a debt and compounded by interest "- he cancelled debt and interest in France - hence the Battle of Waterloo.

Mass media- the capacity of the media and the elite to control thought and manufacture consent in democratic societies is subtle and constant, what most think is "news" from the mainstream media is mostly misinformation and entertainment. Goal- treat the masses like mushrooms- Keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em bullshit."

John Swinton New York journalist at a banquet (1880’s): "What folly is this, toasting an independent press? There is no such thing, at this date of the World's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon [Biblical ref.], and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of "rich men" [Biblical ref.] behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists". -- J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director 1924-1972, quoted in The Elks Magazine (August 1956).

"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe." -- President Abraham Lincoln.

THE ULTIMATE GOAL:Global dominion over financial, economic, political, and religious systems.

For those who wish to take their blinders off, just google any of the above mentioned phrases, names, etc. You’ll find literally thousands of well-researched articles establishing the evidence for what is happening. It is a conspiracy, not a theory.

BA- Watching prophecy come true strengthens faith.

PS- Wake up, step outside your comfort zone, educate yourself, and prepare.

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its [corrupt feudal] government." -- Thomas Paine.

"Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak". -- Mark Twain.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell

"But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."- Luke 21:28

"Because of this, God greatly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." – Philippians 2:10-11

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Why Solomon gets into bible/resurrection??? =Biggest Apostate ever???

by Witness 007 in

solomon the greatest apostate of all time,worshiped false god's with his wives and basically sinned against the holy spirit, the un-forgivable sin...so why did his books make it into the bible?...why was he called "the wisest man alive' when he stuffed up so badly?

why do witnesses say he still gets a ressurection even though there is no evidence to support this?

Brother Apostate

Solomon did not write Ecclesiastes and especially not Song of Solomon

For the record, the above statement is incorrect and revisionist. While the authorship has been questioned, the book itself (Ecclesiastes) identifies Solomon as author. The authorship of Song of Songs has also been debated, but is generally agreed to have been written by Solomon, some Bibles even calling it Song of Solomon.

BA- Setting the record straight.

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Why Solomon gets into bible/resurrection??? =Biggest Apostate ever???

by Witness 007 in

solomon the greatest apostate of all time,worshiped false god's with his wives and basically sinned against the holy spirit, the un-forgivable sin...so why did his books make it into the bible?...why was he called "the wisest man alive' when he stuffed up so badly?

why do witnesses say he still gets a ressurection even though there is no evidence to support this?

Brother Apostate

During his faithful years, Solomon was given wisdom from above, and wrote Song of Songs, then Proverbs, then Ecclesiastes.

All three books were written while Solomon was faithful.

So there is every good reason for their inclusion in the Bible canon.

Some time passed afterwriting Ecclesiastes, then Solomon worshiped false god's with his wives and concubines.

as for "sinning against the Holy Spirit, the un-forgivable sin", no where is there any indication of that being so.

As Christ taught, "stop judging, lest you be judged".

It is up to God, not men, to decide who will be given life and who will not.

BA- Questions answered.